UPDATE 8/5/12 at 2:18 P.M. Manila time: Please see this article for a picture comparing the anti-RH rally in EDSA with the pro-RH rally with the Filipino Freethinkers a few days ago. No Comparison!
UPDATE 8/5/12 at 3:33 A.M. Manila time: Based on the pictures on this blog post as well as other sources, Dr. Quirino Sugon of Manila Observatory, blogger at the Monk's Hobbit, has made an initial estimate of the crowd as having been at 60,000.
UPDATE 8/5/12 at 3:33 A.M. Manila time: Based on the pictures on this blog post as well as other sources, Dr. Quirino Sugon of Manila Observatory, blogger at the Monk's Hobbit, has made an initial estimate of the crowd as having been at 60,000.
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And the pro-RH spin machine goes into high gear!
Manila Bulletin, in what will probably go down as one of the lowest and most shameful points in its history, declared that only 2,500 attended the rally.
According to the Philippine Daily Inquirer, there were only 7,000 at the rally today...
As for the Philippine Star, it counted "more than 10,000" at the rally.
However, the pictures tell a different story.
From the UST Varsitarian:
From my friend Anna Cosio:
From Ricardo Boncan:
And from Lenard Berba comes this picture taken earlier in the rally, with a nice view of the streamers on a footbridge:
Pictures paint a thousand words... most of all pictures do not lie ; the crowd cannot be just 10,000. Despite the heavy and continuous rains, the people stood their ground.I was there. For myself alone i represent a family of more than 20 members who hold the same strong conviction against the RH bill... not to mention friends who share the same view who cannot be there at Edsa Shrine.I counted physically as one there but I know I represent friends and family members who believe strongly "IBASURA ang RH BILL
ReplyDeleteThis is great indeed
ReplyDeleteUm. this is only one corner of EDSA and Ortigas. You didn't show the area near POEA or nearing La Salle. The other three corners were not full of people but mostly parked busses and stuff.
ReplyDeleteEither way, more people went to Lady Gagaif I remember well. I'm just sayin'. Reality check lang po. Have a great Sunday.
Damaso
Excuse me REAL DAMASO! hehe, kundi ba naman puro condom lang yang laman ng utak mo eh hindi na nga isinali sa bilang yung banda sa POEA at La Salle hinahanap mo pa? lol, syempre kahit papano may mga naiwan din dun para magbantay ng gamit, e di mas lalong lalaki pa yung bilang kung iko-consider pa yung mga tao dun! "REALITY CHECK" lang po DAMASO ok? hehe Have a great day.
DeleteDamaso how many went to your march for RH again?
Deletemay you rest in peace! nonsense!
Deletefrom the 4th picture, evidence enough na KAUNTI ang nagpunta sa mosquito rally
DeleteYES TO RH BILL. NO TO IGNORAMUS!
ReplyDeleteyou are ignoramus! idiot!
DeleteAnonymous is Carlos Celdran himself...so NO TO CARLOS CELDRAN ABNORMAL!!! XD hindi marunong magbilang yan!
ReplyDeletePRO RH BILL SUPPORTERS CAN SAY WHATEVER LIES THEY WANT!
ReplyDeleteWith all the evidences of BAD EFFECTS of CONTRACEPTIVES, Spiritually, morally, emotionally, & Economically, only a HARD HEADED person and a closed-hearted one can insist that RH BILL is needed by our people.
Mag-isip isip! Buksan ang inyong mga mata!
IGNORAMUS??? So you are claiming to be intellectual with that kind of attitude? It's even barbaric!
Everything has been presented, & the people of God have spoken, are we going to wait for the Wrath of God to move our country???
WAG NA MAGPA BOLA!
SA RH BILL ikaw ang talo!
i definitely agree with you!
Deleteparang tanga lang kayo noh. sana makita niyo na yung mga bata sa probinsya 14 years old pa lang may mga anak na. ano pa kaya pag naging full adult na nga sila.
Deleteand no, i am not carlos celdran.
WOW! "the people of God have spoken" hmm. . does that mean that people who are PRO RH bill are NOT people of God?? self-righteous much dear?
DeleteSo what's "needed by the people" sir? Just what is it that the people need to do, that we all just hold hands and sing Kumbaya my Lord? And then women will just suddenly stop dying from maternal complications, babies will suddenly just have food to eat? Please sir, enlighten us all with your wisdom.
DeleteThis is exactly why your logic tends to be faulty. You always base it off religion or whatever a social institution feeds you.
DeleteWhy don't YOU open your eyes? Have you seen the statistics? Have you actually been to Fabella Hospital? Have you seen teenage mothers and the kind of life they live? Do you even know that a lot of uninformed citizens engage in sexual intercourse without even knowing the consequences?
We are NOT evil. If anything, I think God would want people to have an INFORMED CHOICE. The Church doesn't openly teach you about sex in homilies, so don't go on telling me that this job is already filled.
How many of those who rallied at EDSA actually read the bill? How many of them actually took a stance completely on their own, not basing their knowledge of the Reproductive Health bill from what the Church fed them with?
How are we ending life if life hasn't started yet?
I am PRO QUALITY LIFE. If the couple consented that they can't give a quality life to a baby that can possibly be born out of their act, then we should give them that choice BUT they first have to know that they actually have one. - IC
You mentioned ALL the evidence of bad effects of contraceptives. Please point out to us ano ang mga bad effects na yun. Please link an article or a video or whatever to support your claim.
DeleteYes! ang dami namin nagpray sa bahay. thank you for representing us.
DeleteNo to RH BILL...
ReplyDeleteno way that's 60,000 people. photos don't lie. density wasn't 4people/sqm. 7,000-10,000 looks about right.
ReplyDeleteI thought EDSA Shrine was a no rally zone? :)
I rode the MRT pass your so called rally and it is impossible your number is at 60,000. Please have an open mind for the sake of the poor people.
ReplyDeleteYES TO RH BILL!
ReplyDeleteThanks to the compulsory attendance by students. What will they get in return for this? Standing and sitting under the rain, wonder if they will get medical assistance should they catch flu after this?
ReplyDeleteNO TO PADRE DAMASO! YES TO RH BILL!
ReplyDeleteFinal figures only show between 7K to 10K. Ang dami pa ring ignorante sa mundo. Pass the RH Bill!!!
ReplyDeleteWe Worship Life, We Worship Jesus, And Yesterday We Worship at EDSA, and We Call it PRAYER RALLY!!!
ReplyDeletePrayer Against the Bill... Kill The Bill!!
Di na kayo nahiya sa mga nag-cocommute!
ReplyDelete10,000 out of 92 Million, yet that 10K speak for the rest of us? Wag nyo i-generalize na lahat ng tao sa Pilipinas ay ANTI-RH Bill. Maliit lamang na porsyento ang 10K na katao.
ReplyDeletePRO RH BILL AKO! YES TO RH BILL!
Yes to RH BILL NOW! Pro Women!
ReplyDeleteMere thousands versus millions who did not attend? Hands down, RH bill must be passed now
ReplyDeleteIf this bill will be passed, the doom of your race is certain... The stars and the heavens don't lie;look up, for the destruction of the world is near. Evil things corrupt the land of men, and grace will leave you. Fight for whatever goodness you still hold, for only the light of your heart will save you in these times of perils... Our times is over, we are leaving this world for good; fight for what the Lord taught and commanded you to do. May the blessings of all saints,martyrs,heroes,believers and angels be with you... :)
ReplyDeleteyou are indeed right bro! may Our Good Lord protect us from evil!
Deletein reply to jerome:
Deletesome questions for you,
Have you ever contributed to the betterment of the filipinos? Have you helped curb poverty? have you contributed to the improvement for education,livelihood? have you protect the abused? have you lessen the crime rate in general?
before you say something about grace, blessings and Gods commandment, have you followed ALL his commandments then? Are you living your life as a living witness of Gods graceand love?
Yes, say that to a woman with 8 children to feed k? And I bet my holy rosary she will just ask you where the saints and martyrs are at this very moment her kids are starving.
Delete"Education" is your anti-RH battle cry but we have yet to see this many Catholics gather for the purpose of EDUCATING any of the less fortunate, or any "pro-life" activity, ever. The pro-RH do not feel the need to rally in the rain because we are practical and pro-choice. We are not sheep in blind faith.
DeleteWe were informed of the gathering and if we wanted to go, we could. If we didn't want to, we didn't have to- it didn't make us less of a supporter. That's the beauty of CHOICE.
Cool story, bro.
Deletemost of the pics are in the same location just different angles. surely it would seem like many people are there if you take those pictures as evidences.
ReplyDeleteSo tell me anti RH Bill, what do yo plan to do to the street urchins who are probably the 8th or even 12th in the family, tapping our car windows under a heavy torrent of rain? Are we responsible for feeding their mouths? Since you guys are so keen on preventing people's access to better life, YOU should feed them, clothe them and give them good education. But I'm betting your pedigreed dogs lives that you won't even spare a single cent for these people.
ReplyDeleteUmm, not everyone there is part of the prayer rally. Some are just passersby, spectators, and ambulant vendors. Let's not count the chickens with the ducks.
ReplyDeleteang mga sumama sa rally na yan ay mga ignuramus na hindi na nagsawa sa kasinungalingan ng mga lider nila! nagpapagamit naman sa mga kademyohan nila Mitsubishops at father Demonyoso este Damaso!
ReplyDeleteKaya kami sumasama lav kasi may alam kami. Binaril mo sarili mong paa. Ikaw ang walang alam sa laman ng RH Bill. Kulang ka yata sa pills at condom.
Deleteikaw ang ignoramus! makitid kukote mo!
DeleteIkaw ang demonyo. Naniwala ka naman sa kasinungalingan ng mga malilibog na proponent ng RH Bill.
DeleteI think the real ignoramus is revealed by how they disrespect other people's faith and beliefs, resorting to name calling, and other such rude behavior.
DeleteThe RH Bill is unconstitutional and its ratification will set the tone for a new set of laws that will suppress and curtail our civil liberties. Please wake up! This law was not made in the Philippines. It is the same law that most European countries adopted and just recently the U.S. adopted in addition to Roe vs. Wade thanks to George Soros, UNFPA and International Planned Parenthood Federation. You know very well what happened to those countries. Will you allow our country to follow the same treacherous path? #NOtoRHBill
ReplyDeleteLol, itong si lav at ang mga kauri nya ay pinapangalandakan na naman ang obvious namang “kaignorantihan” nila patungkol sa rh bill! Walang alam kundi ad hominem dahil wala naman talagang laman ang mga utak at puso nila kundi puro kabulukan, libog, pera, at hangin! NO TO RH/RP Bill! MABUHAY ANG mga PILIPINONG may totoong PANANAMPALATAYA SA DIYOS!
ReplyDeleteProbably next time, why don't the organisers have a registration to account the total number of attendees? It is too subjective to say 10k attended when people see umbrellas.
ReplyDeleteDon't be too emotional btw. Facts and figures can help alot if you have it.
Nanganak ang pusa namin: apat. Second time na ito this year, last time: tatlo. Madaling magparami ng hayop. Ang mga hayop, palaboy-laboy lang KAKAIN. Walang problema. Ganito ang gusto ng simbahang Katoliko, ANG DUMAMI NANG DUMAMI ang POPULASYON NG TAO, parang hayop. PERO HINDI TAYO HAYOP. May isip at dignidad tayo. Hindi kayang ibigay ng simbahan ang dignidad na buhay. Ang gobyerno, hindi nagsabi na: mag-anak kayo nang mag-anak, at pag hindi nyo na kaya ang mga gastusin, ISISI NYO SA AKIN. Ganun din naman ang simbahan, hindi nila sinabi na: mag-anak kayo nang mag-anak AT AAKUIN NAMIN. Masaya lang ang simbahan kapag maraming bibinyagan at maraming donasyon kada misa. Malakas silang MANGONSYENSYA, pero DEDMA sila sa realidad ng buhay...
ReplyDeleteIs this a numbers game? Geezzzzzzz.......how petty! As if they did not made it compulsory for their students to attend the rally! Give me a break! You've been doing this since I can remember! Points for Theology class if you attend! Majority of these people went straight to Robinsons Galleria and Eton after signing the attendance..hehehe
ReplyDeleteYeah yeah tens of thousands of people are in attendance, and with 11 million people living in Metro Manila, how many are not?
What I can see in the picture is just a small percentage of the total population. All I can see are thousands of Filipino sheep making life hell for motorists.
"Militant mode" from July 30-August 7?? They have been on militant mode since the fucking Crusades! Excuse my French.
this is a clear manifestation of how gullible the filipino populace is. is there any statistics that would give numbers as to how many professionals and educated people invovled in this rally? Who were amongst the majority? informal settlers? high school graduates?
ReplyDeletei dont want to conclude things, but my opinion for this matter is simple, the church is using its POWER and is absolutely abusing it. Why would the church claim that, contraception is corruption? Is it not the the catholic church is also a corrupt organization? what were the things that the catholic church accomplish for the people? havent they contributed on emptying the pockets of the people, from baptism to burial, how many pesos did the church EARNED from the masses? What have they done in return? Preached about scriptures, values, doctrines and such...but have they done something to help poverty?to lower the crime rate? or how about protecting the abused wives and children?
These church leaders who're rallying these gullible masses should work WITH the state instead of working against them, that's one reason why the philippines is still STRUGGLING for development. What's wrong of preventing children? would you prefer to have as many kids as you want and will not be able to provide their NEEDS? And if these NEEDS were not met, what would be the posible results? children foreced to ask for alms or worst commit crimes just to survive. Did these catholic leaders thought about this outcome?
If they say that contraception can demoralize the concept of marriage, would it also imply that they as church leaders FAILED to build a strong FOUNDATION OF FAITH for their devotees?
What I'm implying is simple, do their role as leaders, come up with programs/activities to strengthen the foundation of every catholic's FAITH. By doing these things, each catholic christian will not yield to the temptations which they fear would result for passing this bill.
i would appreciate comment and even outburst from netizens, feel free to say anything about this blog, but before doing so ask yourself of how strong is your foundation of you faith.
-Eremes.Guile
i feel sorry for you guys..yun lang...completely brainwashed by the church. pwede ba kayong matutong mag-isip para sa sarili??
ReplyDeletei have nothing against informal settlers or the poor or those in the slums, but come to think of it, the populace among this margin, are they not the ones who have a lot of household members?in every couple who belongs to this margin, usually their family composes a minimum of 5 and a max of 15 members.
ReplyDeleteImagine, in each family of this magnitude, how many parents were able to provide the needs of each child, like good education, proper shelter, a meal thrice daily, a happy childhood, a safe environment to live in.
In every precinct,how many are juvenile related or cases committed by children, minors? how many succumb to prostitution and human trafficking just to earn money? what drove them to do these things, is it not poverty? why? because one factor is that they want to feed the mouths of every child in their family? think about these factors, will God be happy for these scenarios? think about it
why dont we allow each person to choose whether or not to use contraceptives?
ReplyDeletelet us make contraceptives available and let give each person the choice?
if you do not want contraceptives, fine. that is your choice. but let others decide on their own.
Wala na ba talgang matinong argument na ibabato yung mga Pro-RH?
ReplyDeleteUna sinabi nila na hindi population control measure yung RH Bill tapos ngayon naman sinusuportahan na ni PNoy eh kasama na din yung issue ng overpopulation?
Yung mga oudated na facts na binibigay nila sa tao, 11 maternal deaths na sa latest study ay 5 pala?
At bakit gusto agad nilang matapos na yung debates? Hindi ba pwedeng i-consider ang lahat ng sides para magkaroon ng informed choices yung mga Congressmen at women?
At bakit masyadong binibigyan ng emphasis yung number ng attendees ng mga Anti-RH Rallies pero hindi naman binabalita kung ilan yung umattend dun sa mga Pro-RH Rallies?
O cge.. Let's say hindi pumasa yung Bill sa congress, what is your solution for the INCREASING NUMBER OF POOR PEOPLE ESPECIALLY POOR PEOPLE WITH A LOTS and I mean A LOTS OF CHILDREN??? Mangyayari lang na more and more street children. Now tell me ANTI RH People. WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION??? Open your eyes people..
ReplyDeletepuno ng kasinungalinan ang Iglesia Katolika. mga Hipokritong pari. anong alam nyo sa Family Health eh puro kayo walang asawa?
ReplyDeleteWhile a large workforce is good if you are a producing/exporting country (the Philippines is not), a large unemployed, unskilled, uneducated and unhealthy population is not.
ReplyDeleteEven if a poor 19 year old girl from the province was popping out civil engineers and medical technicians, she will really struggle to feed 5 or 6 mouths. Now if she wants 5 or 6 kids, then that's her choice, she can. If she chooses not to use contraception, then that is fine also.
But what if she knows she can only afford 2/3 children? or only wants 2/3 children? Does she have any options besides abstinence or the unreliable rhythm method to have the life she wants for herself and her family?
May God Put His hands over this...Tamaan na ng kidlat kung sinong may sala.
ReplyDeletematagal na kaming nag isip at bukas na ang aming mga mata. bakit ninyo pinakikialaman ang condom na walang kamalaymalay?
ReplyDeleteGod knows who are telling the truth, based on God's truth, and He WILL faithfully protect and defend them from evil! Which side are you on?
ReplyDeletenote that PNP and MMDA at 1pm estimated the crowd at 10,000 people, which most of the media brought to news. they did not update that at 3:30pm, both PNP and MMDA estimated the crowd to be not less than 40,000 people on the ground at that time. This will be consistent that at around 4:30pm, people were saying that the crowd was about 60,000.
ReplyDeleteKakaunti nga. bwahaha. from MAMMOTH RALLY to MOSQUITO RALLY. yung iba mukhang pinilit lang ng catholic schools nila!
ReplyDeletehttp://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/396138_10151175418059529_2133313346_n.jpg
ReplyDeleteHow many of these people are paid? And how much?
ReplyDeleteAy, puro payong lang daw, so nagpunta ang mga payong don at tumayo magisa ng walang humahawak? Andon ka ba para malaman mo na 4-5 katao siksikan sa iisang payong?
ReplyDeleteNO TO RH BILL.
ReplyDeleteNot all of us can live like a saint! Naniniwala ako sa Diyos pero may kalayaan din ang mga kababaihan natin at ang mga pamilyang Pilipino na protektahan ang kanilang kinabukasan at kontrolin ang pag angat ng dami ng miyembro ng kanilang pamilya. Mahirap na nga ang Pilipinas papalakihin pa natin ang populasyon! Maraming sinasabing paraan para umangat ang Pilipinas katulad ng pagtigil sa korupsyon, pagkakaroon ng mga matitinong lider, at pagbabayad ng tamang buwis. Pero ilang dekada na po natin itong pilit sinusubukan at hanggang ngaun ay sinusubukan. May nangyari po ba? Kitang kita naman po na wala! Marami pong mga karaniwang empleyado tulad ko ang nagbabayad ng tamang buwis, may nangyari po ba? Maaring mali itong RH bill pero mali din po na hayaan natin ang mga milyong milyong pamilyang Pilipino na nalulugmok sa kahirapan dahil sa kawalan ng pagplano sa pagbuo ng pamilya. Mali din po na hayaan natin ang mga kababaihang Pilipino na hindi maprotektahan ang kanilang kalusugan dahil sa kakulangan ng kaalaman sa reproduksyon. Sana manaig ang pagbabago sa atin. Hindi nangangahulugang hindi tayo naniniwala o nababawasan ang pananalig natin sa Panginoon sa pag sang ayon sa RH bill nangangahulugan lamang itong naiintindihan natin ang importansya ng maayos na pagplano ng pamilya para sa ating kinabukasan bilang isang pamilya at isang nagnanais na maging maunlad na bansa. Sana pagpalain tayo ng Diyos at maging maayos ang bansang Pilipinas! Mas madami pa tayong mahalagang isyung dapat talakayin para sa ikauunlad ng ating bayan. Sawa na po ang mga tao sa ganitong isyu. Sana ituon na lang natin ang ating lakas sa pagsasamasama bilang isang bayan na nagkakaisa tungo sa pagunlad.
ReplyDeleteHere is a quote from one of the doctors of the church.
Lord, Make me chaste, but not yet - St. Augustine of Hippo
agreed! this is the only sensible response in this entire thread.
DeleteIs the church preventing you from buying a condom or birth control pills? Hindi naman. Kahit walang RH bill, those things are accessible to those who choose that path. But please don't make artificial contraception "essential medicines" that will be imposed so that those who are poor can be effectively neutered/spayed like cats and dogs on the street. Kahit mahirap, tao pa rin. Educate, yes. Freedom, yes. Siguraduhin lang wala kayong natatapakan na iba.
DeleteAMEN.
DeleteDear E., how exactly are the rights of others trampled upon? Can you cite at least one provision of the RH Bill which does that directly? If anything, it's providing people the CHOICE, and an ACCESSIBLE one at that. The World Health Organization already declared contraceptives as essential medicines. The bill does NOT impose, it merely provides options. It doesn't REQUIRE people to have their ovaries or any part of their bodies removed, as per your "neutered/spayed" reference. Have you even read the bill? - IC
DeleteP.S. I don't appreciate the fact that whoever owns this blog didn't publish my reply to an earlier comment. Just because I defended the RH bill in an anti-RH blog, doesn't mean it shouldn't be read or seen by other people. All sides should be open for inquiry or critique. No battle is one-faceted. If you really aim for people to fully take your side of the issue, you also have to show them the other side but from the viewpoint of those who defend it, not just yours.
Pro RH bill sana ako kaso lang hindi naman pwedeng against lang ako ng against, huwag ng huwag, pigil ng pigil, bawal ng bawal,
ReplyDeletedapat kung ayaw ko ang isang bagay may gawin ako
Gaya ng magpaaral ng isang bata na hindi makapag aral dahil marami silang magkakapatid,
hindi Pwedeng putak lang ng putak,
kung Anti kayo dapat may gawin kayo hindi yung puro objection,
gaya ng hatiin ang simbahan at gawing class rooms sapagkat kulang tayo ng 66,000 na silid paaralan,
hatiin ang koleksyon sa misa at itulong sa pagpapaaral sa mga batang mahihirap, gawing school bus ang mga mitsubishops para makatipid sila sa pamasahe,
after all this is what Jesus would do..
Wag puro putak, the government is doing their part, im doing my part by supporting responsible parenthood bill
Anti RH sana ako kaso lang di naman pwedeng against ka lang ng against, hindi ng hindi, bawal ng bawal, ayaw ng ayaw..
ReplyDeleteKung kontra ka sa isang bagay dapat meron kang gawin gaya ng pag papaaral sa isang batang hindi makapag aral dahil marami silang magkakapatid.. O kaya hatiin ang pagkalakilaking simbahan para gawing classrooms dahil kulang tayo ng 66,000 classrooms, hatiin ang koleksyon sa misa para itulong sa pagpapaaral sa mga mahihirap na bata, gamitin ang mga binigay na Mitsubishops para makatipid sa pamasahe ang mga mahihirap na estyudante,
for sure this is what Jesus would do..
Wag puro putak lang ng putak, kung kontra ka do your part..
The government is doing their part by promoting RH bill, i am doing my part for supporting it..
if you are against it, do your part, paaralin nyo ang mga mahihirap na magkakapatid..
Wag puro putak..
All you anti-RH bill supporters, have you really gone through all the provisions of the bill and have read it thoroughly, have understood it clearly? Or baka naman nakikiband-wagon lang ang karamihan sa inyo - deciding out of your impulse of emotions and not really examining what's in the RH bill. You cannot just believe or agree on what others perceive on the bill unless you yourself really understood it and then make a stand.
ReplyDeleteI believe we have been given by God the brain to also think, and not just base our stand on pure emotions. Kaya nga the brain is placed higher than the heart. Remember even the Bible says that emotions are deceitful - kung nadala ka lang without scrutinizing carefully and taking time to study the bill itself then I would say, your stand against the bill cannot be counted as valid after all.
While we were not there to witness the session, (due to our work in CFC Cornerstone program (preparing a team to work for the poor children), we do meant to declare, "WE ARE ONE IN SAYING, 'NO TO RH BILL!'" Open-eyes-wide
ReplyDeleteThe sad thing about this is that most of these people haven't read the bill. They just simply believe whatever their leaders say with so much conviction, as if religion automatically validates your opinion as the right one. That's not how it works.
ReplyDelete